Showing posts with label Eternal Damnation. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Eternal Damnation. Show all posts

Tuesday, March 27, 2007

NIMES (Not In MY Eternal State)


Here's a little more on Hell from a decidedly more conservative point of view. I know that I will take some "you-know-what" from some people for even daring to publish the link. I am not sure I agree with all the sentiments expressed by the author, but I am in tune with at least one facet of the discussion.

As with so many things, modern Christians, and Catholics especially, tend to display a lot of cognitive dissonance in their faith life. For example,

1. Hell is real (but no one, least of all me, will go there).

2. I go to Church every Sunday. (If the poll numbers on this one were true, all our pews and chairs would be packed)

3. I believe in social justice for all (As long as they don't live in my neighborhood, or demand any of my tax money)

The miracle in all this is that in spite of the wretched state of our souls and our Churches, God still manages to save us, bless us and provide for our well being. That's good news.

Oh, yeah, here's the link:

Americans Think Hell Exists,But No One Goes There by Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.


Be aware, though, that it's not for the theologically faint-hearted.

Oh, Hell!


Many of my fellow Christians have difficulty believing in a "real" (not to be confused with literal) hell, or place of everlasting punishment. Here is an interesting article from Great Britain....

I believe that Hell has an existential reality, although I am unsure, as I am with Heaven, exactly where that reality "abides."

Even so, I like this author's approach.... and am especially intrigued by the comment from Sartre quoted at the end...... That existentialist had no concept of an afterlife, but retained a vivid image of hell, nonetheless.


From The Times

March 27, 2007
The fires of Hell are real and eternal, Pope warns

Richard Owen in Rome

Hell is a place where sinners really do burn in an everlasting fire, and not just a religious symbol designed to galvanise the faithful, the Pope has said.

Addressing a parish gathering in a northern suburb of Rome, Benedict XVI said that in the modern world many people, including some believers, had forgotten that if they failed to “admit blame and promise to sin no more”, they risked “eternal damnation — the Inferno”.

Hell “really exists and is eternal, even if nobody talks about it much any more”, he said.
The Pope, who as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was head of Catholic doctrine, noted that “forgiveness of sins” for those who repent was a cornerstone of Christian belief. He recalled that Jesus had forgiven the “woman taken in adultery” and prevented her from being stoned to death, observing: “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
God had given men and women free will to choose whether “spontaneously to accept salvation . . . the Christian faith is not imposed on anyone, it is a gift, an offer to mankind”.

Vatican officials said that the Pope — who is also the Bishop of Rome — had been speaking in “straightfoward” language “like a parish priest”. He had wanted to reinforce the new Catholic catechism, which holds that Hell is a “state of eternal separation from God”, to be understood “symbolically rather than physically”.

Agostino Paravicini Bagliani, a Church historian, said that the Pope was “right to remind us that Hell is not something to be put on one side” as an inconvenient or embarrassing aspect of belief.
It had been misused in the Middle Ages to scare the impressionable with “horrific visions” of damnation, as described in Dante’s Inferno.

It had a pedigree, however, that went back to Ancient Egypt and the Greek idea of Hades, and was described by St Matthew as a place of “everlasting fire” (Matthew xxv, 41).
“The problem is not only that our sense of sin has declined, but also that the world wars and totalitarianisms of the 20th century created a Hell on Earth as bad as anything we can imagine in the afterlife,” Professor Bagliani said.

In 1999 Pope John Paul II declared that Heaven was “neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but that fullness of communion with God which is the goal of human life.” Hell, by contrast, was “the ultimate consequence of sin itself . . . Rather than a place, Hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy”.

In October the Pope indicated that limbo, supposed since medieval times to be a “halfway house” between Heaven and Hell, inhabited by unbaptised infants and holy men and women who lived before Christ, was “only a theological hypothesis” and not a “definitive truth of the faith”.

Timely visions
— “From here are to be heard sighs, and savage blows resound: then the scrape of iron, and dragged chains. Aeneas stopped, terrified, and drank in the din” Virgil, Aeneid
— “Outer darkness . . . there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth” St Matthew
— “A whirling storm that turns itself / for ever through that air of endless black, / like grains of sand swirling when a whirlwind blows” Dante, La Divina Commedia
— Angels “rolling in the fiery gulf” of “ever-burning sulphur Milton, Paradise Lost
— Locked forever in a small room with two other people Jean-Paul Sartre, writing in his play Closed Doors , published in 1944